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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:38:00 -
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Folks... you're missing a module.
Forget about ABs. Forget about Micro Jump Drives.
ACs + MWD + Bastion = Success
The Vargur is amazing in Rubicon. |
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:04:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: if you want to do real isk you do NOT salvage. You blitz. I only carry 1 salvager and 1 tractor to salvage 2-3 wrecks as a tiny extra. Will not loose any extra time because of loot and salvage. Sicne the mission loots was nerfed so muchits not worth
This. Oh so much this.
I will say, though, that I've found with 2x Tractors, 1 Salvager II, and Salvage Drones I can process all large wrecks, and any other wrecks with loot before the last rat pops.
MWD right into the center of the blob, hit Bastion, and kill while looting and salvaging at the same time. It works beautifully with just a T2 tank. The Vargur is a league above the Mach for missions now. |
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:22:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:When the vargur becomes the WORSE marauder it is a nerf. Its ismple.
It isn't. So it isn't a nerf, Nikon.
All this talk about damage at 30KM and 66KM is pretty irrelevant anyway.
MWD your Marauder butt until you're 10-15KM from the BS cluster, shooting the small stuff on the ride over, then hit bastion on and off right away. They're dead right around the end of a full bastion cycle, and before they run 30KM out.
Rinse. Repeat. Rake in ISK. |
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:20:00 -
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Quish McQuiddy wrote:Perhaps the Vargur needs a revisit - ROF up - tracking gone? I dunno. Its just quite disappointing with the promise of Bastion?
I think your disenchantment with the Vargur is tied to trying to make Artillery an optimal choice for PVE.
If you only look at it from an Artillery angle, then no: it isn't as good as the other Marauders.
Slap ACs and a MWD on it, and now it's one of the best. The bonuses are incredibly good when used for that, whereas changing tracking to an ROF bonus would just increase your ammo costs.
(Note that in the chance-to-hit formula, boosting tracking or falloff by the same percentage has near-equivalent effects on applying damage in most situations. The tracking bonus is a huge help.)
To put it short: you're staring at an insanely good monkey wrench and asking why it isn't that great at hammering in nails. |
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:12:00 -
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chaosgrimm wrote:The only time this monkey wrench is more effective compared to the old version is when it is hammering nails.
I couldn't disagree more. I shaved 10-15 minutes off my Dread Pirate Scarlet completion time by using MWD and Bastion compared to the week prior. That's a huge increase in effectiveness.
Now... could I have used the same MWD tactic prior to Rubicon? I guess. I thought of it for the Mach, but not the Varg before Tuesday.
But Bastion makes it easier, and frees up mid slots for more Tracking Computers by needing fewer tank modules. Not to mention that being E-war proof is a huge benefit in certain missions. (DPS in particular, if you get Pith Eliminator spawns.)
I dunno. I just cannot sympathize with disappointment over the changes. |
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:57:00 -
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Julie Thorne wrote:The reason why a lot of people are happy with the changes is that they changed their setups and their tactics too.
I'll admit, this very well could be my situation.
Good points Julie, and good points chaosgrimm as well. I'll keep an eye out for your longer post.
Quote:Or just switch to a Paladin after the Mach gets nerfed.
Any word on how they'll be neutering it? All I've heard is that it's going to happen in the near future.
Man, that BS-sized battlecruiser had a good long runGǪ |
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:16:00 -
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chaosgrimm wrote:
For perspective:
ppl use 5% dmg implants all the time.
machariel's base turret dps lead over the vargur is ~9.5%
Vindi's base turret dps lead over the kronos is ~10%
Great post overall, but I wanted to comment on one point:
While Vindi to Kronos's gun performance can be directly compared, the Vargur gets up to a 37.5% (non-stacking penalized) tracking bonus over the Mach that is routinely underestimated.
There are many common situations where a Vargur can outshoot a Mach because of it. (There is no such thing as "having enough tracking" against targets with non-zero transversal.) |
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:09:00 -
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Sh0plifter wrote:You have a bastion mode marauder and you are needing to get into range? Use ******* arties. Get T1 ammo with different ranges. PWN **** and GTFO.
Not to be abrasive, but you're just wasting a whole lot of ship like that. You don't need Bastion for the tank at artillery range, you're too far to loot and salvage at the same time, and artillery + MJD underperforms against AC + MWD when you look at mission run time and isk/hr.
There are some good arguments both for and against bastion mode. I haven't seen any good arguments for Arties on a Marauder. |
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Posted - 2013.12.04 05:07:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:
Post in the Ideas forum to make the Bastion Module either be first in priority on stacking penalties, or to make the gun bonuses unstacked.
Making the bonuses first in priority would actually reduce your range compared to now, if you use even one Tracking Computer... but I really like the idea of having the bastion module range bonuses being unpenalized.  |
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